List of most popular noise artists/noise history

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Creel Pone

Fuck! Now it's stuck in my head again!

creelponecreelponecreelponecreelponecreelponecreelpone AHHHHHHHH!

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you van find cp001-149 via the static fanatic, plus a few scattered others via slsk.

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Itxe2x80x99s also difficult to find sources for this stuff. For example, the Hanatarashi bulldozer gig: Ixe2x80x99ve only ever seen a few photos of the alleged event, but wherexe2x80x99s the interviews with Yamantaka EYE or, even better, the club owners? Itxe2x80x99s just commonly accepted as fact. I donxe2x80x99t deny it happened, it just seems like the only articles that refer to it cite other articles about the same thing as proof.

That's a way cynical and unfortunate take on history...you realize most of human history is not well documented!
The audio exists for the 'bulldozer'show (I recall a written account somewhere???) the photos and similar if not as grandiose ultra dangerous performances back up the reality....I believe.


Sorry that label name (cp) means nothing to me but I'm not a collector and bootleg(thats how discogs describes creel prone) records from the recent era cause me some fashion concerns but that's just me.
Seems to be more collector hype than actual importance. Am I wrong?
Some really amazing old releases on that label.
Maybe some of those original releases influenced who?
You obviously are influenced by the modern bootlegs and thats good.

Dockstader is the only one on that label that I have heard more than one noise person mention but not in recent history not in the last 20 years.

Electronic music no. 2...found it in the thrift store late 1980s. No hipster record store repress just random chance and only $1.
Not an influence on me at all really as I had already been propelled into noise by other means. Those means being LSD and interest in odd music since a little kid(punk being the grease) and just being an outsider freak. I will also count having a much much older girlfriend as a teenager. She turned me on to many things.

In some ways noise should be anti history and not well documented....Rrron had some ideas on that, as in the more vague and confusing the better!
RRR is a very important label noise history wise.

Its pushing it allowing 'composers' on a noise list...decomposers always allowed!
(I'm doing the arguing with myself now...great)
But yes for the list

EYE
Massona
SPK
Dockstader
Conlon Nancarrow
Emil Beaulieau

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My point was that early electronic music shares a lot in common with noise: creel pone is simply a gateway to that stuff, granted a very good gateway.
For a genre that can trace itxe2x80x99s origins back to 1913 with Russolo, but doesnxe2x80x99t see an underground movement develop until the 70xe2x80x99s-80xe2x80x99s, I think itxe2x80x99s important to attempt to fill in that gap.
Early electronic music, while not always experimental and not always a direct inspiration to future noise artists, should nonetheless be worth mention and exploration.

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My point was that early electronic music shares a lot in common with noise: creel pone is simply a gateway to that stuff, granted a very good gateway.
For a genre that can trace itxe2x80x99s origins back to 1913 with Russolo, but doesnxe2x80x99t see an underground movement develop until the 70xe2x80x99s-80xe2x80x99s, I think itxe2x80x99s important to attempt to fill in that gap.
Early electronic music, while not always experimental and not always a direct inspiration to future noise artists, should nonetheless be worth mention and exploration.

Agreed

There used to be a section in mall music shops titled Alternative where everything not blatantly main stream was thrown all together. The local record shop were better at organising...but still the cut out $1 bin was where I always found the best stuff

For the list
And that brings me to groups I've mentioned numerous times before...

1980s Atlanta based
Peach of Immortality...top 10 for me.


Another one of my top 10 noise/Psuedo PE favorites...
The (legendary) German Shepherds


And this group that is un categorizable and really horrible on multiple levels also a top 10 pick of mine mainly for being so obnoxious and genuinely dangerous and offensive
Psychodrama

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I do sometimes wish noise history was as well understood & documented as metal. I wasn't even aware of the significance of Creel Pone, for example, within the canon of noise until two or three years ago. Meanwhile, despite a wide array of styles and regional motifs, things like the differences between black and death metal are very well understood for the most part, and the scene encourages digging deeper to further round out the ancestry of metal music. With noise, I mean, sure we have NoiseWiki, but there's nothing like an Encyclopedia Metallum for noise--which I understand would be a Herculean task in itself--to get a good idea of the "hierarchy" of influences that lead us to, say, the popularity of contemporary cut up noise in the mid-2010s, or why some US noise artists emulated Japanese ones while others took an entirely different route. Also, there's clearly more localized scenes that shape or refine an existing country's sound: Pittsburgh and Portland are two very different cities yet both have yielded their own distinct vibes and interpretations of what "noise" means.

This is the great misery that kinda stalled out my attempt to do a video essay covering the history of noise. There's just so little information beyond "these records came out in these years" and you have to really work to find any actual history and influences and whatnot. One of my big problems was finding the roots of the American noise scene, as today a number of critically and (relatively) commercially successful artists are American (your Wolf Eyes, your Prurient, your Pharmakon, etc), but all the info on noise in the late 80's and 90's when the groundwork was being laid for that is about European PE and Japanese Harsh Noise.

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I do sometimes wish noise history was as well understood & documented as metal. I wasn't even aware of the significance of Creel Pone, for example, within the canon of noise until two or three years ago. Meanwhile, despite a wide array of styles and regional motifs, things like the differences between black and death metal are very well understood for the most part, and the scene encourages digging deeper to further round out the ancestry of metal music. With noise, I mean, sure we have NoiseWiki, but there's nothing like an Encyclopedia Metallum for noise--which I understand would be a Herculean task in itself--to get a good idea of the "hierarchy" of influences that lead us to, say, the popularity of contemporary cut up noise in the mid-2010s, or why some US noise artists emulated Japanese ones while others took an entirely different route. Also, there's clearly more localized scenes that shape or refine an existing country's sound: Pittsburgh and Portland are two very different cities yet both have yielded their own distinct vibes and interpretations of what "noise" means.

This is the great misery that kinda stalled out my attempt to do a video essay covering the history of noise. There's just so little information beyond "these records came out in these years" and you have to really work to find any actual history and influences and whatnot. One of my big problems was finding the roots of the American noise scene, as today a number of critically and (relatively) commercially successful artists are American (your Wolf Eyes, your Prurient, your Pharmakon, etc), but all the info on noise in the late 80's and 90's when the groundwork was being laid for that is about European PE and Japanese Harsh Noise.

You need to interview someone like Ron lessard or GX Jupiter and go with thier info timelines and leads on other people to interview.
Hal mcgee is another excellent source of history.
There's a few others...who runs superior viaduct? They re-release classic American noise from the early days.

There are also piles of forgotten zines that could be referenced....??

Rrr noise junk omnibus booklet and CD.




Are Nihil is a Good source for old video...for sale...some really strange and rare material. More than a few things I have wanted to see for decades.
Google him.
I got some rare Psychodrama footage from him that is delightfully horrible. He has some German Shepherds video I need!

The old troniks forum had some of this info scattered around topics like this but its sadly thankfully lost and gone.

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Y'know Greh does that podcast Noisextra.. It started out as a Merzbow podcast but when they interviewed GX he talked a little bit to much about Masami's porn collection for his liking and plus they were sorta making money of playing his releases and talking about him exclusively. So they switched over a more varied but noise focused podcast. I haven't listened recently but it's pretty good.


https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/n ... 1451680647

The problem is that you need to get more than one perspective. Noise is rife with bullshit.

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Also I made this thread awhile back about Noise Books.. maybe try digging into those and making entries in the noisewiki?

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=245&p=4705&hilit=books#p4705

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Thanks for changing the topic title