RUBBISH wrote: ↑Sun Mar 29, 2020 11:32 am
No meaning but lots of explainations..thats insane and makes no sense.
Not to some. When I say no meaning xe2x80x93 its that the thing, sound doesn't *represent* something else, my ideas re the Vietnam War, or my antipathy to Donald Orange Shit Gibbon etc. It's not the like a WORD which is a signifier for something else xe2x80x93 a signified. Its not a language, or a picture of something. Some art obviously is, all representational art, stuff like the 1812 overture or Stairway to Heaven.. bur some art isnt. Abstract art like Don Judd or Steve Reich... Vomir. The latter as have others said their wo-rk is not representational, or in Vomir's case has no meaning. (I've had this discussion many times, the latest I think with Adrian who simply locks the thread...)
RUBBISH wrote: ↑Sun Mar 29, 2020 11:32 am
If there is no meaning why do you explain it so much..
Because its strange to make something which is intended to to have a purpose*. Though if you think the universe has no purpose its not strange to try and explain it, science. Of course the reverse is you think it has a purpose, then it was made by something, God, no need for explanation. Lots of people think the world has no meaning, but puzzle about it. Others think God made it for us to live in. And of course the giraffes long neck wasnt made for a purpose if you are a Darwinian...
RUBBISH wrote: ↑Sun Mar 29, 2020 11:32 am
(I'm gonna repeat this numerous times cause it doesnt seem to penetrate your dad like veneer of stubborn certitude)
I could say the same to you, but I suspect you would take it as an insult. So i'll repeat, many people think the world is meaningless, but study and think about it. Many make art which they say has no meaning, and others write about it. And to be sure i'm not saying they are right, and those who think trees were made for us are wrong. Its two of maybe many ideas. And my explanations are regarding certain w-orks of Noise. And its not just me. OK so you think differently, fine by me. But you seem not to be content with that.
RUBBISH wrote: ↑Sun Mar 29, 2020 11:32 am
Obviously there is meaning or you wouldnt have so much to write about now would you.
Perhaps there is, if you think so why do you not write about it? But i'm not aware you do, so if you think it has meaning and that writing about it follows, why do you not do this? Also beware of 'obvious', i've mentioned giraffes xe2x80x93 obviously the long necks are purposeful, but not according to evolution theory. Like some people can waggle their ears, what does that mean? So let me throw the ball back to you, why should anything have a meaning? And how do you know what this meaning is?
RUBBISH wrote: ↑Sun Mar 29, 2020 11:32 am
Yeah its bullshit...sorry..its your shit...and like you I refuse to see your shit how you see your shit...and why is it shit...because you say there is no meaning
More insults. So allow me, your inability to see that something could have no meaning could be a fear of a pointless nihilist world. A terror? And I don't blame you for avoiding such a brutal idea. Seems lots do, religion, politics, progress, family all fill this terrifying void of everything in the end being pointless. Though given such a terrible prospect art can expose this or cover it up...
RUBBISH wrote: ↑Sun Mar 29, 2020 11:32 am
and then spend hours explaining and defending your alleged meaningless creations...
You miss the point, I found noise a puzzle, Vomir's refusal at meaning, Merzbow's denial of skill... and thought and wrote about it. And some found it interesting. Not you and others, maybe TLDR. But that situation regarding my own stuff is not quite the same recently.
RUBBISH wrote: ↑Sun Mar 29, 2020 11:32 am
thats nutty wrong off center by far and just wrong and not the cool PE wrong but the simple basic common wrong.
Then i'm not alone in being wrong. Much of minimal art music and recent writing. You maybe not aware of conceptual poetry, Goldsmiths idea of un creativity.. I think you might not like their wo-rk. Why? I'll guess, its a threat. Anyone who thinks as you do that someone is wrong implicitly makes themselves right, yes? That worries or more annoys you? Yes?
RUBBISH wrote: ↑Sun Mar 29, 2020 11:32 am
Like it or not by this exchange your meaningless noise just gathered some meaning and the more you explain and attempt to defend your meaningless the more meaning it has.
For you maybe. And i've said several times that my recent stuff may have no meaning but maybe a purpose.
RUBBISH wrote: ↑Sun Mar 29, 2020 11:32 am
Your Zen level is zero...
My Roman Cathloic level is zero also. You rate Zen, whatever gets you through the night. I dont.
RUBBISH wrote: ↑Sun Mar 29, 2020 11:32 am
you aren't the best person to speak on such things except regurgitation of other peoples works and words...you insist on too much meaning for your meaningless.
Yes like Michael Jackson 'I'm Bad' But look if there are others I get my ideas from, then they are all shit too?
RUBBISH wrote: ↑Sun Mar 29, 2020 11:32 am
also Zen Level Zero is my new band name
Now you are saying you can trace your factory fodder lineage back to the 1700s...naw ain't buying it...couldnt have been too poor if there are clear records that far back...naw.
I didnt say that, and you are now using my personal history to attack me, so i'll be more careful.
But given my great grandfather was a miner in Sheffield back in the mid 1800s xe2x80x93 and his brothers and son steel wo-rkers.. I guess so. As for records xe2x80x93 births and deaths given occupations go back that far in church records for rich or poor, but my family history i'm not bothered. I was referring to the general industrialization.
RUBBISH wrote: ↑Sun Mar 29, 2020 11:32 am
Night club singer = whore white trash and similar. Moonshiners criminals slackers
Not to be trusted then?
RUBBISH wrote: ↑Sun Mar 29, 2020 11:32 am
As far as insults go again you have been made aware numerous times of your insulting tone and condescending manner
Yes by you, as I say you seem unable to cope with someone who has different views and expresses them in a different manner. Luke has also said similar, but he has a problem with his own failure. Not that i'm implying any such thing in your case. You do seem annoyed at me though. If you take my attempt at being polite as condescension I apologise. Is it the case that you are anti intellectual, and see me as not such, as therefore spoiling your ideas re noise?
RUBBISH wrote: ↑Sun Mar 29, 2020 11:32 am
and if bean hole is taken as a serious insult you are seriously sad and mentally sick and in the wrong
I think this exchange is getting nowhere, it is meaningless insults from you, and ignored responses on your part. I'm not mentally sick, if I'm in the wrong, its along with others - xe2x80x9cregurgitation of other peoples works and words.xe2x80x9d - but you demand for meaning and the Zen thing xe2x80x93 very funny.
RUBBISH wrote: ↑Sun Mar 29, 2020 11:32 am
Glad I know how to swim this river is deep.
I'm drowning...
If you just spew out more insults, i'll pass on that, though capable of doing so, what's the point though? But can I say this, I think there might be a difference between Americans and the English, where they speak how they find, are up front, no bullshitters with lots of self confidence, maybe comes from settling a new land, noticed this also in South Africans (White) and Australians, and so take the english tendency of deferment? reserve... as being condescending, when it isnt.
*There is a caveat here regarding my own current wo-rk, and i've written about that, my bad!