I know how herd immunity works with vaccinations but we don't have a vaccine yet and people are not automatically immune from natural exposure to covid 19 apparently (actually know some people who had covid and do not have antibodies) so how the fuck you gonna vaccinate without a vaccine bruh? Are you arguing just to be a pain I'm my ass?JLIAT wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 4:26 amYes it can - read your original link
And once the immunity reaches a certain level, not 100% the virus will likely as not, not infect or re infect anyone and so die out. The whole point of immunisation is NOT to achieve 100% as some will not be fully immune despite being vaccinated, or have catching the virus once."in a high school of 1,000 students, none has ever had measles. All but five of the students have had two doses of measles vaccine, and so are fully immunized. The entire student body is exposed to measles, and every susceptible student becomes infected. The five unvaccinated students will be infected, of course. But of the 995 who have been vaccinated, we would expect several not to respond to the vaccine. The efficacy rate for two doses of measles vaccine can be as high as >99%. In this class, seven students do not respond, and they, too, become infected. Therefore seven of 12, or about 58%, of the cases occur in students who have been fully vaccinated."
As you can see, this doesn't prove the vaccine didn't work xe2x80x94
Vaccination is the administration of a vaccine to help the immune system develop protection from a disease. Vaccines contain a microorganism or virus in a weakened, live or killed state, or proteins or toxins from the organism. In stimulating the body's adaptive immunity, they help prevent sickness from an infectious disease. When a sufficiently large percentage of a population has been vaccinated, herd immunity results. The effectiveness of vaccination has been widely studied and verified.[1][2][3] Vaccination is the most effective method of preventing infectious diseases;[4] widespread immunity due to vaccination is largely responsible for the worldwide eradication of smallpox and the elimination of diseases such as polio and tetanus from much of the world.
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And there's another segment of the armchair population saying there might be immunity from exposure so let's just open up the country and find out.
The World Health Organisation is saying it's too risky .. that is what I understand from what they are saying not the media. The experts are saying its too soon to return to normal.
Donald Orange Shit Gibbon is cutting funds to the WHO because he is now trying to blame them and the GOP is paying anti stay at home protestors. But jliat says .. herd immunity will work... I think I will stick with the experts.
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All rna based virus mutate constantly.
hiv is not one strain its countless strains same with covid19 and same with influenza.
Its part of thier very successful survival mechanisms.
That's why they use rna busting antiviral drugs for hiv. No vaccine. Keeps it from replicating thereby keeps you from dying...doesn't cure the virus just curtails its replication and if you have sex with someone that has a different strain of hiv and you get it you will get sick as the partial immunity from your strain doesnt work for the new one you got.
regular influenza vaccines do not work for everyone or work as intended..some people even get sick from it and if you look at the data at least a few people die from it every year.
They use last years strain so its only gonna be partially effective at best.
That's why 2018 had 80,000 flu deaths in the usa and thats an under count. You can assume at least 20 to 40,000 or more related
(Stroke heart attack sepsis) deaths from flu went uncounted.
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hiv is not one strain its countless strains same with covid19 and same with influenza.
Its part of thier very successful survival mechanisms.
That's why they use rna busting antiviral drugs for hiv. No vaccine. Keeps it from replicating thereby keeps you from dying...doesn't cure the virus just curtails its replication and if you have sex with someone that has a different strain of hiv and you get it you will get sick as the partial immunity from your strain doesnt work for the new one you got.
regular influenza vaccines do not work for everyone or work as intended..some people even get sick from it and if you look at the data at least a few people die from it every year.
They use last years strain so its only gonna be partially effective at best.
That's why 2018 had 80,000 flu deaths in the usa and thats an under count. You can assume at least 20 to 40,000 or more related
(Stroke heart attack sepsis) deaths from flu went uncounted.
Haha ill keep my not directly related fun facts outta this...don't need to clutter this up any more. medal
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Not the most recent article but according it c19 actually does a self genome check which lends to it being stable as far as mutations go.
But also because it's a more complicated virus than the flu it has more tools to defend itself from the bodies immune system.
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandso ... for-humans
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Related fun fact.
Some people are immune to hiv.
Not sure if this immunity applies to other virus or not?
It seems they have what is described as a waxy type coating on thier cells that makes.it so hiv can't attach to thier cells and replicate.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12290324/
While reading about the black plague there were apparently people immune to it also...
Some people are immune to hiv.
Not sure if this immunity applies to other virus or not?
It seems they have what is described as a waxy type coating on thier cells that makes.it so hiv can't attach to thier cells and replicate.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12290324/
While reading about the black plague there were apparently people immune to it also...
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It also seems that some
\most of these mutations scale down the\a virus and make it less effective.
If mutations scaled them up we wouldnt be here to talk about this
This is why hiv and aids didn't turn into the genocide people thought would happen with it.
Side note...I love Chinese culture but wouldnt trust anything their government says.
Yay typhoid Mary...my mom told.me that story as a little kid so I would wash my hands.
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jliat wrote:
Jliat quotes from material sent by Xd, who seems more concerned with Orange Shit Gibbon. Where have I said herd immunity will work in this case, I've asked, you seem unable to say, why then without a vaccine almost zero new cases day by day in China.
This article seems to support what I said which is that they have reached the appearance of zero new cases because they are still practicing strict social distancing and prophylactic measures which imo is not the same as herd immunity. It just means that people who are infected are not passing it on because of physical barriers.. that's not the same as immunity.
But also given the nature of china we can't be sure they are reporting accurately.
The reason why I keep hammering on Orange Shit Gibbon is because the experts believe we like China need to continue with wearing masks and social distancing because counting on herd immunity is not guaranteed whereas Orange Shit Gibbon is only concerned with the stock market and the people clamoring for bowling alleys and hair salons to reopen. Also Orange Shit Gibbon is actively doing things to disrupt the access to PPE and anything that comes out his mouth is more likely to do harm than good.
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I live in a rural area and it seems ok here too.
What...me and Adrian?
Never once did I mention group or herd immunity or human extinction due to this disease but ok.
I did mention that hiv did NOT lead to everyone dying like people thought 35 years ago.
I wasn't arguing with anyone. Was I?
(The Chinese government thing...no argument bro...its not allowed...hah..get it?)
I was just posting up my thoughts on this and it seemed like you and I were mostly in line with each other.
But yeah this was fun coffee talk.
Side note.(not for Jliat

Side note 2...testing for the virus will not protect from the virus...no Fucking shit...what the fuck...testing for a disease does not cure the disease...holy shit the news is stupid as fuck.
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Jliat is just doing his usual thing of asking alot of questions, being an askhole and asking me to explain to him things he then says he is not an advocate of one way or the other. Also claiming he is not an expert but then going out of his way to correct the error of our ways again about something he says he's not concerned or bothered with.
In the real world herd immunity is what has kept a number of diseases at bay. Well at bay until a bunch dumbass antivaxxers came along.
This may or may not be the case with c19 in the future. We have slowed the spread of c19 with social distancing and other prophylactic methods. Imo that is not the same as herd immunity. There is likely to be more waves of infection or re infection if those measures are relaxed too far. Rinse and repeat until a vaccine that results in actual long term immunity and %70 of the population is vaccinated.
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He received a stem cell treatment for leukemiaJLIAT wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:10 amOK, i'll respond! My thing re the virus was not with Mr Rubbish, and while responding - the HIV thing, there was a case here in the UK of an HIV guy being cured as a result of some treatment for some kind of cancer the guy had. It is though no cure for reasons I forget, just a side effect... he has no trace of the virus...RUBBISH wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 8:28 am
Side note.(not for Jliat) I will mock and make fun of death and sickness. I reserve the absolute right to laugh in the face of death. I cant help it. Nothing personal if that offends anyone's sensibilities.
Side note 2...testing for the virus will not protect from the virus...no Fucking shit...what the fuck...testing for a disease does not cure the disease...holy shit the news is stupid as fuck.
As for death, and mocking i'm fine with that. I'm nearer than you lot, and its sometimes a strange feeling.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.medica ... transplant
There are people who are naturally immune to HIV
https://aidsinfo.nih.gov/news/310/scien ... e-to-hiv-1
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