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melko wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2020 8:27 am
JLIAT wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2020 1:59 am conceptual potential.

no conceptual potential.
What exactly do you mean by that?
Minimal art cannot simply rely on an immediate aesthetic for its "story". Whether it be Malevich - whose black paintings have quite complex - "The brushwork is juicy and brusque: filling in the shapes, fussing with the edges. But the forms are weightless, more like thoughts than like images. You donxe2x80x99t look at the picture so much as launch yourself into its trackless empyrean. Beyond its obvious design flair, the work looks easy because it is. Malevich is monumental not for what he put into pictorial space but for what he took out: bodily experience, the fundamental theme of Western art since the Renaissance. His appeal to Americans isnxe2x80x99t surprising. Apart from a peculiarly Russian mystical tradition, which he exploitedxe2x80x94evoking the compact spell of the icon, as a conduit of the divinexe2x80x94his work amounts to a cosmic xe2x80x9cSong of the Open Road.xe2x80x9d It conveys sheer, surging, untrammelled possibility."

Compare this say to the work whose content tells the story, 1812 overture, or any literal painting or work... which may have conceptual possibilities , but in the case of EDM, I think to conceptualise would be to force concepts where no were, or ignore the simple hedonism of EDM.

You might think of a fairground and a Becket play..

Not that clear, take EDM, just music for pleasure - in itself, cages 4'33" isn't just silence. That's in themselves, of course you can conceptualize on anything. But to get EDM, is to listen to the beats and sounds made by the performer, to get Cage or Vomir that is not the same. To get the cage is to think about sound and silence, to get Vomir is to think about noise, music and meaning.
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JLIAT wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2020 8:46 am Minimal art cannot simply rely on an immediate aesthetic for its "story".

but in the case of EDM, I think to conceptualise would be to force concepts where no were
This explains nothing :?
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JLIAT wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2020 8:46 am You might think of a fairground and a Becket play..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dismaland
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Is DAF a form of EDM?
If so I like it.



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RUBBISH wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2020 9:08 am Is DAF a form of EDM?
No.

Here's how it works...

Europeans have ebm, house, trance, techno, gabber, etc
Americans have EDM
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NoiseWiki wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2020 8:53 am
JLIAT wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2020 8:46 am You might think of a fairground and a Becket play..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dismaland

Yeas I know about this. But do you know about Western Super Mare? One of the nearest seasides when I was a child, only most times the sea was out - 3-4 miles. Sandy beech then miles of mud. It had a pier, in the mud, with slot machines, one you could win a woodbine (cigarette) the other was animated puppets of public hanging.

They said the mud was good for you - well they would, whereas Skegness on the east coast

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IOW fucking cold even in July.
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melko wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2020 8:52 am
JLIAT wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2020 8:46 am Minimal art cannot simply rely on an immediate aesthetic for its "story".

but in the case of EDM, I think to conceptualise would be to force concepts where no were
This explains nothing :?
The above was not an explanation - I gave one or two. Here is another.

Say you hear Mahler's 2nd, but miss the last 3 minutes, like wise a Vomir performance.

In the former I would say you would have missed significantly the work as a whole, in the latter not.
In the latter you might 'get the idea' in the former not get the conclusion, the resurrection.
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to get edm you think about culture, popular music, other people, dancing, parties, society, DIY, youth, etc..

there are studies into these things too.
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RUBBISH wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2020 9:08 am

Over thinking can take some of the joy away from a thing.
Absolutely..
When I Heard the Learnxe2x80x99d Astronomer


By Walt Whitman
When I heard the learnxe2x80x99d astronomer,
When the proofs, the figures, were ranged in columns before me,
When I was shown the charts and diagrams, to add, divide, and measure them,
When I sitting heard the astronomer where he lectured with much applause in the lecture-room,
How soon unaccountable I became tired and sick,
Till rising and gliding out I wanderxe2x80x99d off by myself,
In the mystical moist night-air, and from time to time,
Lookxe2x80x99d up in perfect silence at the stars.
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from the outside it's just hedonism, same as noise is just gore and pornography.

at times it works, at other times it doesn't if you want to say that all culture is bad, then that's another thing...
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