The Mysterious Creep wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2020 4:08 pm
Isn't noise supposed to be all about extracting textural detail from what sounds to the average person like a big distorted mess?
No... there is no xe2x80x9c supposed to bexe2x80x9d regarding noise, endless debates, rants, and arguments over just what it is xe2x80x9c supposed to bexe2x80x9d. Maybe in time, or now, some consensus will emerge but Noise- once at least encompassed Boyd Rice and Mattin. What was common to both was the xe2x80x9c big distorted messxe2x80x9d and from that, for some, the desire to extract something from this. But the process of extraction was and is varied and for some a pointless and unsuccessful endeavour. Just as an impressionist painting can be a nostalgic and romantic scene or an indictment of the society which creates poor rural workers.
I don't see how that can be the case. Or if it is, it is no different to any xe2x80x9cmusicxe2x80x9d which employs rhythm and indeterminacy. What was shocking in noise originally was its lack or denial of musicality, rhythm being part of musical aesthetic.
The Mysterious Creep wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2020 4:08 pm
but I don't think that just having prominent drums with broken up "songs" makes it not noise, even if it is using elements from other genres.
For some it would make it xe2x80x9cnot noisexe2x80x9d, if you want to differentiate noise from other genres. Obviously for others they do not do so, labelling music concrete, free jazz, Metal Machine.. Fluxus et al as all part of the noise genre. And this can include bands playing extreme rock / metal.
The Mysterious Creep wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2020 4:08 pm
Noise as filtered through the lense of a Grindcore band.
To an extent all music is 'filtered noise'...
The Mysterious Creep wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2020 4:08 pm
I'm not protesting the move to Misc, I understand that a lot of Noisecore isn't necessarily noise, but to declare Noisecore "fake noise made by metalheads masquerading as punks" seems pretty extreme.
The xe2x80x9cfakexe2x80x9d would for some apply to the filtering, or use for any meaningful or not purpose, including aesthetics, of noise. And for others this 'move' is strongly resisted, for the very reason of the tacit question, xe2x80x9cwhat then is noisexe2x80x9d? A question that removes it from any sensation into a provocation of a concept.