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Pocket Guide To Bullshit Prevention

Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 2:30 am
by Indeterminacy
1. Who is telling me this?
2. How does he or she know this?
3. Given #1 and #2, is it possible that she or he is wrong?
4. If answer to #3 is xe2x80x9cyes,xe2x80x9d find another, unrelated source.
5. Repeat until answer to #3 is xe2x80x9cpretty f-ing unlikely.xe2x80x9d

Re: Pocket Guide To Bullshit Prevention

Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 3:28 am
by JLIAT
During the conflict, several claims of Iraqi air-to-air successes were made, including an Iraqi pilot, Khudai Hijab, who allegedly fired a Vympel R-27R missile from his MIG-29 and damaged a B-52G on the opening night of the Gulf War.[197] However, the U.S. Air Force disputes this claim, stating the bomber was actually hit by friendly fire, an AGM-88 High-speed, Anti-Radiation Missile (HARM) that homed on the fire-control radar of the B-52's tail gun; the jet was subsequently renamed In HARM's Way.[198] Shortly following this incident, General George Lee Butler announced that the gunner position on B-52 crews would be eliminated, and the gun turrets permanently deactivated, commencing on 1 October 1991.
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Re: Pocket Guide To Bullshit Prevention

Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 4:23 am
by Indeterminacy
Jliat after you have learned about the B-52D Tail Gunner's Position get back with me.

We can discuss the later model B-52's Tail Gunner's Position, Radar and Guns after class.


Image of the B-52D's Tail Gunner Position.
With the seat folded down for ingress.
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Re: Pocket Guide To Bullshit Prevention

Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 4:43 am
by JLIAT
The fleet of D models stayed largely intact until late 1978, when 37 not already upgraded Ds were retired.[183] The remainder were retired between 1982 and 1983
By 1991 All tail guns were removed, but the 52-D was long gone.....

So you are saying your location is "Location: B-52D Tail Gunner" Hmmm... might have been 37 years ago..


1. Who is telling me this?
2. How does he or she know this?
3. Given #1 and #2, is it possible that she or he is wrong?
4. If answer to #3 is xe2x80x9cyes,xe2x80x9d find another, unrelated source.

Oh wait - are you in an aircraft museum?

Re: Pocket Guide To Bullshit Prevention

Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:39 am
by cultofthesunmachine
Indeterminacy wrote: Thu Jan 16, 2020 2:30 am 1. Who is telling me this?
2. How does he or she know this?
3. Given #1 and #2, is it possible that she or he is wrong?
4. If answer to #3 is xe2x80x9cyes,xe2x80x9d find another, unrelated source.
5. Repeat until answer to #3 is xe2x80x9cpretty f-ing unlikely.xe2x80x9d
1. the source of information is irrelevant
2. determine the validity of the information
3. if you cannot do the assessment then you cannot determine validity
4. appeals to authority are for children

Re: Pocket Guide To Bullshit Prevention

Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:02 am
by RUBBISH
JLIAT wrote: Thu Jan 16, 2020 4:43 am
So you are saying your location is "Location: B-52D Tail Gunner" Hmmm... might have been 37 years ago..


1. Who is telling me this?
2. How does he or she know this?
3. Given #1 and #2, is it possible that she or he is wrong?
4. If answer to #3 is xe2x80x9cyes,xe2x80x9d find another, unrelated source.

Oh wait - are you in an aircraft museum?
He mentioned being stationed near mount pinatubo(I think that's what he wrote) in a gear thread about a pedal with bits of the Berlin wall as part of it....so Clark Air Force Base in the Philippines is how he knows what's what.

Re: Pocket Guide To Bullshit Prevention

Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:24 am
by JLIAT
RUBBISH wrote: Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:02 am
JLIAT wrote: Thu Jan 16, 2020 4:43 am
So you are saying your location is "Location: B-52D Tail Gunner" Hmmm... might have been 37 years ago..


1. Who is telling me this?
2. How does he or she know this?
3. Given #1 and #2, is it possible that she or he is wrong?
4. If answer to #3 is xe2x80x9cyes,xe2x80x9d find another, unrelated source.

Oh wait - are you in an aircraft museum?
He mentioned being stationed near mount pinatubo(I think that's what he wrote) in a gear thread about a pedal with bits of the Berlin wall as part of it....so Clark Air Force Base in the Philippines is how he knows what's what.
But the current B52s have no tail gun, and the B52Ds were scrapped 37 years ago. Looking up there are a number of B52Ds in museums in the USA, and even one at Duxford in the UK.

I always preferred the B58..

Re: Pocket Guide To Bullshit Prevention

Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:08 am
by NoiseWiki

Re: Pocket Guide To Bullshit Prevention

Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:17 am
by JLIAT
Yep, removed from the 1990s and the gunners positions moved earlier.

Nice thread!

Re: Pocket Guide To Bullshit Prevention

Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:25 am
by WhiteWarlock
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