RUBBISH wrote: ↑Sun Jan 19, 2020 8:12 am
JLIAT wrote: ↑Sun Jan 19, 2020 8:02 am
RUBBISH wrote: ↑Sun Jan 19, 2020 7:57 am
Maybe this thread has hit the harsh noise wall...hah
Set out a 3 HNW related points that we can come to terms and resolution with.
That way we can maybe define some elements of HNW...open ended discussion isn't gonna allow us to define or resolve anything....although again this topic is it self becoming harsh text wall
Or not...
1. "I'd encourage anyone who is interested in finding out more about noise who hasn't listened to it before just to take a radio, tune it to between two stations and turn up the volume."
2. " There is absolutely no message whatsoever in my work; "
3. "the harsh noise wall is militantly pure in its non-representation"
1 is what I would suggest for anyone into noise if they haven't done that already.
I would pressume that anyone really into noise would do this naturally on thier own.
Now maybe some younger people that haven't grown up with radio may have overlooked the free noise you get with the radio.
My favorite is when two stations overlap but that doesn't happen so much anymore with the radio siganls being digital instead of analog.
Yeh - digital radio, with old FM the white noise between stations contains no signal no message.
RUBBISH wrote: ↑Sun Jan 19, 2020 8:12 am
2. Don't believe that at all.
Yes I see this Adrian and yourself think then he is not telling the truth and/or tricking people. Well I'll take his word, fits with his other writing, and my meeting with him. I see no reason to call him either a liar or a trickster. I do think people whose work is far from minimal might not like this stuff. But minimalism isn't confined to Vomir, and to not believe in the sincerity of minimal artists condemns huge amounts of art and artists.
But at the end of the day if you cant believe that idea, its pointless to continue this discussion. For me that statement, "no message" is true of many other works, and from this things follow. But if you do not think they are being true or if you think they are deluded or tricksters, no point in continuing. But as I said I see no evidence for thinking such minimalist works are not sincere.
RUBBISH wrote: ↑Sun Jan 19, 2020 8:12 am
Yes I've noticed thats been the main driver of this conversation. People say they are a certain way or believe certains things but really they don't or aren't those things. They just like romance of whatever they are claiming.
Its fashion not reality.
You are welcome to think that, could it be also applied to all art. I'd rather accept the premise that what is said and done is sincere until I've good reason to think otherwise.
RUBBISH wrote: ↑Sun Jan 19, 2020 8:12 am
3 naw not all that militant or pure
Its just more fashion.
Fine, I disagree. You've dissmissed a massive amount of art, if not all, why not say its all fashion?
RUBBISH wrote: ↑Sun Jan 19, 2020 8:12 am
Nothing wrong..too wrong...with being fashionable but making and setting fashion trends should be a goal rather than just following trends.
Again, that can apply to all art.
So is setting a trend better than following, and is that your goal?
And I think Vomir was more the trend setter than the follower..
And how do we establish who is the trend setter and who the followers- obviously you reject wiki... and other sources?
"Harsh noise wall, also known as wall noise or static noise, is an extreme subgenre of noise music, described as "a literal consistent, unflinching and enveloping wall of monolithic noise." The movement is spearheaded by French musician Vomir,"