WhiteWarlock wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2020 1:06 pm
wrong Dokter Dipshit...
where did you get that from... out of the orbit your own ass???
You are breaking the rules here, I don't mind but you are. Neither you or Pat want the definition, fine... I find it useful... you guys seem hung up on meaning, as well as a tendency to be pedantic?
WhiteWarlock wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2020 1:06 pm
sounds completely manufactured for some specific purspose...
How about looking up the astrological definition of "Occultation"
Because I don't take astrology seriously, my bad as you might say.
WhiteWarlock wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2020 1:06 pm
so you traded a EMS VCS3 now worth 10k+
for a Sony 3 tube Video Camera now worth maybe $100
Synthi AKS xe2x80x93 sure. Money isn't everything. If I remember at the time Video seemed an interesting avenue to explore. I'd previously made 8mm and Super 8 films.
WhiteWarlock wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2020 1:06 pm
hmmmm... maybe we shouldn't take your advice..
I'm offering no advice. If you ask i'll give my opinion.
WhiteWarlock wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2020 1:06 pm
wanna buy a old sony broadcast 3chip video camera for 10k so eye can get VCS3...
have one here somewhere in flight case...
you should have stuck with "proto-industrial-SpaceRock"
yet maybe it was was way too hard and required some basic talent
No xe2x80x93 space rock as well as industrial was not my thing. Not talented, more sex and drugs, which it seems takes its toll.
WhiteWarlock wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2020 1:06 pm
your noise is personal...
even if it resembles more of a single cell HNW amoeba than the Cosmos...
with lots of heady bullshit attempting making it looking more legit... Microcosm
whatever...
Yes xe2x80x93 i've come only recently to see noise and what I do (which others maybe and I once did call Art) as personal. As for the heady bullshit, i've said before, my interest was in art, and philosophy makes claims on that, i.e. it gets in the way, so one has to deny philosophy this. But to do so one has to know what it is. Like Luke, and maybe you and others, have theories about what is Art, Noise, Music, etc. Tom Woolfe's 'painted word' is probably the simplest exposure of this. Art doesn't illustrate a theory. It's creative, which then can generate theories. The tree I can see now, isnt a theory. This whole forum seems to have many who think words and concepts are more significant, more real than actuality. 'Talent' is a word. So we invent a word, Truth, Art, then ask what it is. Well thats not how it works, John's gospel starts with 'In the beginning was the word..' I disagree. Current theory states, Big Bang. But the word Bang is wrong, there was no sound... I digress.
WhiteWarlock wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2020 1:06 pm
we all have our own perceptions/perspectives of "Noise"
Sure, but the genre was something specific, started around the 90s... etc, Japan and North America, place holders, The Rita, Merzbow, HNW xe2x80x93 Vomir. Historic fact.
WhiteWarlock wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2020 1:06 pm
If eye want to make fucking "SpaceRockNoise" then that's what is getting composed/recorded...
or whatever feel like making... seriously...
Fine.
WhiteWarlock wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2020 1:06 pm
Music is way harder than making HNW...
Agreed. Technically. But technique was never sufficient for Art. Art is not a craft. I know a lot get hung up and annoyed by this fact. Maybe this is your problem? Why you seem so bitter and angry?
WhiteWarlock wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2020 1:06 pm
you can't do it so just STFU...
Technique can be learnt, you can teach a sealion to honk tunes for fish. Or a dog to roll over for a biscuit.
WhiteWarlock wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2020 1:06 pm
that's just how it is
Sadly yes, some think technique is all there is.
WhiteWarlock wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2020 1:06 pm
& you can bitch about it arguing otherwise all you want...
including meaningless distracting philosophical diatribes galore...
Maybe, but my epiphany in art was not philosophical, at 17 I saw a Morris Louis in the Tate, then I had no time for abstract art, couldn't see what Picasso, Matisse was about. And here was a massive canvas with just paint poured down the edges. It blew me away, despite it seeming without skill, shape or form, it blew me away. And so space rock, I was into the Floyd, pre Dark Side xe2x80x93 which I don't like... then arriving at college I heard Reich's its gonna rain.... again simple talentless just two tape loops out of sync... it blew me away. There is craft, million note a minute guitar, and Art, genius. The philosophy comes after, in the 'And what the fuck was that!'
WhiteWarlock wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2020 1:06 pm
yet you noticed that obviously already... eh?
maybe it's me that shouldn't be here anymore... because over qualified
That I doubt. You were a sound engineer. Technicians are often bitter i've found. Like they should have made it, but didn't. I suspect you might be an example, please no offence meant... if it is or is not the case.
WhiteWarlock wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2020 1:06 pm
yet too fucking bad... you are completely fucking up noise scene... from what it was....
for your own personal agendas...
It would be something if I was or could! But I'm not the Antichrist. Well I dont think so, but shucks xe2x80x93 that's a compliment.
WhiteWarlock wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2020 1:06 pm
We are not all created equal obviously despite your Marxist programming...
I'm not a Marxist! Haven't you read my responses to Luke on the subject? Obviously not equal.
WhiteWarlock wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2020 1:06 pm
Noise is not giving a fuck what other people say think feel especially the Critics.
You are supposed to be channeling sound:
I'm not supposed to do anything, thank you.
OK xe2x80x93 go make more, but stop whingeing xe2x80x93 as it makes you sound like some sad loser.
WhiteWarlock wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2020 2:20 pm
personally here for "learning" new methods in sound/noise for exploring/mutating/evolving/expanding...
not hours of pointless mastrudebating over what is Noise with people pushing own agendas/Egos...
for pretending being Philosophical Purist Noise Supremacists... ~yawn~
it's been done and fucking goes nowhere except wasting time/energy & starting fights...
FYI You are stripping any and all "spirit"(the hardest part making stick for recordings) out of "Noise".
derpdederp
Is this your personal-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-modernism aesthetique?
You seem to have a problem Houston. Calm down, get some country air... whose starting a fight here?? I tend to post first thing, and whilst the slow processor churns through sound files...
The whole anti philosophy thing - OK if its not your thing. However maybe its worth asking xe2x80x9cwhat the fuck am I trying to doxe2x80x9d....
And if you get an answer... 'be talented' xe2x80xa6 'be famous' xe2x80xa6 then you have a goal.
And for me, there is no goal.
Good Luck...