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[The Mysterious Creep]

This would make a good 'historical' PE track

I'll be on it post-haste.

[The Mysterious Creep]

Bang, I did it. I think this one came out a lot more severe than the Seinfeld Jugend track thematically, less comical, but the tradeoff is that it's a lot less well-produced. It's basically just a lightly edited single (smartphone) microphone recording of a live jam, so no mixing and no pristine sub-bass. I also think the slight British accent I tend to adopt when doing PE vocals came out a bit too strong. It is a lot noisier, though. Closer to When Pornography Is No Longer Enough than Black Slaughter.

[timdrage]

Ha nice work!

[pumpingyrmom]

I cant see the deliberately provocative imagery and lyrics of PE as anything much to do with 'knowledge'. Certainly in early cases the content being just that, and nothing more. But if the general right wing drive of PE is true, intellectualism and knowledge seems not apt.

Being intolerant of other folks' intolerances just means you're not very tolerant yourself.

Is that meant to be a criticism? Fundamentalists who go around blowing up people are generally not tolerated by even the most tolerant neo-liberals. And i'm no neo-liberal.

Funny that you equate right wing leanings with a lack of intellectualism...

I didn't say that did I? I said it doesn't seem apt. I'm basing this on some quotes and specifically the idea of violence being preferable to open debate. And of course that's found in all authoritarian systems, both right and left. Mao's claiming to have more in common with LBJ that J P Sartre. Power from the barrel of a gun etc. But specifically the use of lyrics of violence and atrocities in PE of the extreme right, not apt in my opinion as many seem just fascinated with the imaginary in a fairly erotic sense. So if the imaginary of death camps is sexual, then its not intellectual, or is it IMO so if those using it genuinely advocate such totalitarian actions, right or left.

as far as instinct and survival, i.e. real world intellect/street smarts....the leftist dolt that sees forced diversity as a beautiful necessity is usually the hypocrite living in a gentrified neighborhood or safe upper-middle class suburb. He has never known danger and lives his life outside of its reach.

Sounds to me then like the said xe2x80x9c real world intellect/street smarts....the leftist dolt xe2x80x9c is smart. Nice life!

Among other strengths of non-whites

This thing, and i'm annoyed as its personal, really pisses me off. Coming from a white working class background, labelled factory fodder, with then a shorter life expectancy than many others, and from a class that was when not used as factory fodder was used as cannon fodder. Who had to mask the 'common' accent, so typical of the stupid council house proles etc.

Check out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_A ... haftesbury

Sure slavery was a great evil, was before the west's slave trade and still is, but please don't lay this at the door of a white working class, without first a little history.

Among other strengths of non-whites is a high value placed on honesty. The preening half-faggot that treats minorities like exotic pets and hates the color of his own skin will never be trusted by a person with a functioning brain.

If you have a functioning brain please check out the misery of many white poor in the past*. Seems not only racist but 'half-faggot' xe2x80x93 homophobic as well. I think the high value placed on honesty by non-whites in particular odd? I see no particular evidence that skin colour equates to honesty, I do note that it doesn't always pay to be honest, especially when in an inferior position. IOW honesty is something one has to be able to afford, or face the consequences. Similar could be said re 'trust'. All xe2x80x9cgoodxe2x80x9d Victorian values. Something to be suspicious of - my Grandfather taught me.

Boring History

*Not that long ago - my grandparents lived in fear of the workhouse, my grandmother sent to a 'hospital' which once was one, having dementia lasted two weeks in a non heated ward in winter, as did my grandfather a few years latter. Dementia brought on by the death of two sons, in a family of 9.... etc. My cousin lived in a back to back house till 16, only a cold tap, no bathroom, no toilet. Others lived in digs... We lived with my grandparents... (i'm from a single parent family) aunts and uncles would visit, to see us and use our bath! And this made a joke...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Back-to-back_house

Forgot about this thread. Jliat have you attended a BLM protest yet? stoopid

[The Mysterious Creep]

Bumping this long dead thread to inquire: are synths required for something to be Power Electronics? The name inherently suggests electronic instruments, but a lot of people focus more on the noise with vocals aspect. I've heard entirely vocal-free synth noise called PE, and I've also heard noise with vocals and no synths called PE, but it always seems to require one or the other. I don't know how to do a poll, but that's essentially what this is. I'm curious to see what the predominant view here is.

This certainly has nothing to do with my future PE project being on hold because the one synth I own doesn't work...

[RUBBISH]

Bumping this long dead thread to inquire: are synths required for something to be Power Electronics? The name inherently suggests electronic instruments, but a lot of people focus more on the noise with vocals aspect. I've heard entirely vocal-free synth noise called PE, and I've also heard noise with vocals and no synths called PE, but it always seems to require one or the other. I don't know how to do a poll, but that's essentially what this is. I'm curious to see what the predominant view here is.

This certainly has nothing to do with my future PE project being on hold because the one synth I own doesn't work...

To start a poll start a new thread...!

I think vocals are required.

Now to be a dick

No vocals and they are calling it PE they are calling it that I pressume because of their subject matter but I'm gonna call bullshit on that and say they are cynically exploiting the genre term for marketing and fucked up nutty ego purposes.

Like some think its more cool and hardcore to call it PE...fucking come on...lame ass fashion victim.


No vocals and the track is titled to be about say...killing prostitutes...its fucking noise its not PE and I don't care how much the black and white graphics look like they were actually photocopied its not fucking PE without vocals it's noise but of course PE is just a sub genre of noise...with fucking vocals.

Fashionable fucking noise hipster fuckery is what it is when people call noise without vocals PE.


Do you need a synth...no.
You do need vocals....and noise.


On PE subject matter...it doesn't matter. What matters is the delivery of whatever it is you wanna distortedly whisper or harshly yell about.

Now of course you can do whatever ya want and call it PE and I wont be bothered...much... but some goofass that thinks they are all hardcore PE may get a little bent over it.

[Fire of the Mind]

To be fair, Whitehouse's New Britain was entirely instrumental, so there is precedent, but that speaks more to how the idea of noise as something distinct from industrial music had not yet fully gestated, with Bennett's concept of "power electronics" being intended as a way of distancing what he, Best et al were doing from the likes of Throbbing Gristle and Test Dept. rather than a hard and fast genre marker, at least at that stage. That said, in terms of modern power electronics as a movement and an aesthetic, a complete absence of vocals seems to kind of miss the point; there is a nakedness to the pain and anger in the style which I think requires that distinct human element, much in the way that, conversely, while there is harsh noise with vocals, the voice is always of a piece with or subsumed within that noise rather than cutting through or on top of it.

Incidentally, I feel like the necessity of that intimacy and potentially embarrassing yourself is what puts off people who are primarily in it for the shock value and the branding. It's very easy to push people's buttons but, I think, very hard to do so in a way which gives them pause, provokes a second thought after the immediate hit of fear or disgust, and even harder to do so upfront without being overwhelmed with self-consciousness. Even if I feel that at this point the whole serial killer worship and rabid misogyny thing is just treading water thematically, actually having to scream those words is more of an emotional commitment than plastering your instrumental noise cassette with (intentionally) badly Xeroxed crime scene photos.

[The Mysterious Creep]

So the view of PE largely seems to be noise + vocals, so for the follow up question: Guitar? There's some precedent for this, Sutcliffe Jugend used guitar as one source on many of their recordings, but I've never seen any other PE using it. Obviously it tends to drive people down more of a drone/acid rock/free improv track, but there's some use of it in industrial related fuckery (Matt Bower's Total comes to mind). Any other PE acts that use guitar as a noise source, and do you think would people be turned off by a guitar-abuse-and-shoegazey-drone-dominated PE act?

[RUBBISH]

So the view of PE largely seems to be noise + vocals, so for the follow up question: Guitar? There's some precedent for this, Sutcliffe Jugend used guitar as one source on many of their recordings, but I've never seen any other PE using it. Obviously it tends to drive people down more of a drone/acid rock/free improv track, but there's some use of it in industrial related fuckery (Matt Bower's Total comes to mind). Any other PE acts that use guitar as a noise source, and do you think would people be turned off by a guitar-abuse-and-shoegazey-drone-dominated PE act?

No. Nope. I mean maybe on the best day ever maybe guitar...probably not but it could happen but probably won't happen type of maybe.

Try it and see what happens.
If its good its good.

[NoiseWiki]

So the view of PE largely seems to be noise + vocals, so for the follow up question: Guitar? There's some precedent for this, Sutcliffe Jugend used guitar as one source on many of their recordings, but I've never seen any other PE using it. Obviously it tends to drive people down more of a drone/acid rock/free improv track, but there's some use of it in industrial related fuckery (Matt Bower's Total comes to mind). Any other PE acts that use guitar as a noise source, and do you think would people be turned off by a guitar-abuse-and-shoegazey-drone-dominated PE act?

No. Nope. I mean maybe on the best day ever maybe guitar...probably not but it could happen but probably won't happen type of maybe.

Try it and see what happens.
If its good its good.

I really don't think what equipment used matters so much as other factors like is it noisey, aggressive and focused on extreme ideas or subject matter.