what about stuff that isnt music and isnt noise either? SOUNDCORE!!!

[zowozon]

what should i put in the middle?

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[RUBBISH]

I'm gonna need to hear an example.

Field recordings?
Those aren't noise and aren't music.
Yes field recordings are used in noise and could be of noises and could also be of a musical event(focus on the event not the music otherwise its a live recording of a music performance) but arent music or noise...??

..and sorry by the posts title this isn't a Noise topic but an MISC topic paddle

[zowozon]

I'm gonna need to hear an example.

Field recordings?
Those aren't noise and aren't music.
Yes field recordings are used in noise and could be of noises and could also be of a musical event(focus on the event not the music otherwise its a live recording of a music performance) but arent music or noise...??

..and sorry by the posts title this isn't a Noise topic but an MISC topic paddle

ramleh perhaps? wold? im trying to figure it out myself, thats why i asked what should go in the middle
sorry for posting on the wrong board, i wont get mad if its moved to misc.

[zowozon]

also i should have mentioned that with the graph
the further left you go the more musical while the further right the more noise
and then the labeled artists which are placed accordingly

[¾ dead]

Royalty-Free Audio?

Speaking of which, I've earned more money in the past two weeks submitting static FM band radio noise to AudioJungle than I have during the past year, and that is barely an exaggeration. As of now, I've earned a grand total of $10.94 since August, 2017! Truly staggering! I've earned back 1/50000th of what I spent on Zoom recorders! I've made 1/3 of what I've earned in ~15 years of making noise "as an artist"! Maybe I should just start submitting HNW clips exclusively. ;thinking:

BTW, I listened to some Xiu Xiu. Definitely still not my bag, I'm sorry to say. And, musically, the best I can come up with for comparisons is, uh, Digital Ash in a Digital Urn-era Bright Eyes (yes, seriously. It's still one of my favorite BE albums when I am not feeling too embarrassed to tell people that, at one time, I listened to Bright Eyes religiously, and still do occasionally) and Snog/Black Lung (though not in terms of vocals). It's basically just electronic/pop music with lots of lo-fi/noisy/textural flourishes (which Snog had a lot of) to my ears. confused

I always suspected parts of this album to be secretly inspired by VIVIsectVI-era Skinny Puppy and Snog:

[The Mysterious Creep]

ramleh perhaps? wold? im trying to figure it out myself, thats why i asked what should go in the middle
sorry for posting on the wrong board, i wont get mad if its moved to misc.

See, I'm a fairly big fan of Ramleh on Hole in the Heart (which I assume is what you're referencing, because they started off as classic PE and ended up as trippy noise rock). That album usually gets the tag of "Death Industrial." It's halfway between Power Electronics and Dark Ambient and is considered noise. Wold uses harsh, unmusical textures in a manner inspired by Black Metal, a fusion sometimes called "Black Noise" or "Blackened Noise." Both have maybe touches of song structures, but they're still based on distorted noise. Noise doesn't inherently imply any degree of abrasion, unlike Harsh Noise, so that's not the problem. Power Electronics is a style of noise that frequently incorporates rhythms and hints of structure, so I fail to see how much different that is from the flowing soundscapes of Ramleh or the Black Metal meets Industrial clamor of Wold. They're exploring texture and abrasion through fairly loose pieces. Seems to me like they're just less abrasive than your standard Harsh Noise. Yellow Swans, an act I love, hovered on the boundaries of drone and noise, but if I were pushed I'd call them a noise band even though they aren't exceptionally harsh because they make music in a way that can't really be identified as the product of traditional songwriting, ambient processes, or free improvisation. So I'm not really sure what Soundcore would possibly cover.

Also it's a fucking stupid genre name, but that's just a bit of personal opinion you can ignore freely.

[zowozon]

ramleh perhaps? wold? im trying to figure it out myself, thats why i asked what should go in the middle
sorry for posting on the wrong board, i wont get mad if its moved to misc.

See, I'm a fairly big fan of Ramleh on Hole in the Heart (which I assume is what you're referencing, because they started off as classic PE and ended up as trippy noise rock). That album usually gets the tag of "Death Industrial." It's halfway between Power Electronics and Dark Ambient and is considered noise. Wold uses harsh, unmusical textures in a manner inspired by Black Metal, a fusion sometimes called "Black Noise" or "Blackened Noise." Both have maybe touches of song structures, but they're still based on distorted noise. Noise doesn't inherently imply any degree of abrasion, unlike Harsh Noise, so that's not the problem. Power Electronics is a style of noise that frequently incorporates rhythms and hints of structure, so I fail to see how much different that is from the flowing soundscapes of Ramleh or the Black Metal meets Industrial clamor of Wold. They're exploring texture and abrasion through fairly loose pieces. Seems to me like they're just less abrasive than your standard Harsh Noise. Yellow Swans, an act I love, hovered on the boundaries of drone and noise, but if I were pushed I'd call them a noise band even though they aren't exceptionally harsh because they make music in a way that can't really be identified as the product of traditional songwriting, ambient processes, or free improvisation. So I'm not really sure what Soundcore would possibly cover.

Also it's a fucking stupid genre name, but that's just a bit of personal opinion you can ignore freely.

yeah i guess i didnt think about that
thanks for telling me that i had not considered it while coming up with the term.

[Fire of the Mind]

I would argue that this works better as a kind of three-dimensional x-y-z chart, with axes representing reliance on melody and/or harmony as a unifying device, another on timbral density, and another on the degree of organisation and complexity of structure or to which such structure is emphasised. The most forbidding HNW is extremely inharmonic, extremely dense, and extremely low on conventional compositional organisation; on the opposite end of the spectrum, a solo violin piece of great melodic virtuosity may be extremely harmonious, extremely sonically pared down, and extremely high in compositional sophistication. However, a more avant-garde solo violin piece might also be quite inharmonic, compositionally amorphous and even somewhat dense in timbre through extended techniques; conversely, some very harsh noise may involve a fair bit of melodic content in its midst and be very meticulously composed on a structural level, while some dark ambient, drone, EAI and lowercase might be very sparse on a timbral level while still having a clear noise bent.

That said, all such systematisation is ultimately futile to some degree, and really is best done purely for fun. To that end, I think a lot of isolationist ambient, death industrial, harsher drone, weirder free improv, very outrxc3xa9 classical music (sonorism, stochasticism, Haas, Crumb, the really weird end of academic serialism), and of course the fringes of extreme metal all fit somewhere in that middle ground.

[zowozon]

I would argue that this works better as a kind of three-dimensional x-y-z chart, with axes representing reliance on melody and/or harmony as a unifying device, another on timbral density, and another on the degree of organisation and complexity of structure or to which such structure is emphasised. The most forbidding HNW is extremely inharmonic, extremely dense, and extremely low on conventional compositional organisation; on the opposite end of the spectrum, a solo violin piece of great melodic virtuosity may be extremely harmonious, extremely sonically pared down, and extremely high in compositional sophistication. However, a more avant-garde solo violin piece might also be quite inharmonic, compositionally amorphous and even somewhat dense in timbre through extended techniques; conversely, some very harsh noise may involve a fair bit of melodic content in its midst and be very meticulously composed on a structural level, while some dark ambient, drone, EAI and lowercase might be very sparse on a timbral level while still having a clear noise bent.

That said, all such systematisation is ultimately futile to some degree, and really is best done purely for fun. To that end, I think a lot of isolationist ambient, death industrial, harsher drone, weirder free improv, very outrxc3xa9 classical music (sonorism, stochasticism, Haas, Crumb, the really weird end of academic serialism), and of course the fringes of extreme metal all fit somewhere in that middle ground.

i think i ike your 3d axis idea more than my idea lol

[NoiseWiki]

Terms that have been used for what I think you are trying to described are:

Experimental
Sound scapes
Sound sculpture