JLIAT wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2020 6:34 am
But Marx was wrong, on at least three accounts, he said the workers would get progressively more poor, (they now are the major stake holders),
Major shareholders in companies are from insurance, pensions, banks etc. whose money is from ordinary people. -? or so i'm led to believe...
I don't know anyone that owns stock in the company they work for...even my older well invested BMA having realitive.
Yes there are more non hereditary wealthy people now but in America the top 3 richest people own more than 90 percent od the population...so yeah there are 30 million well off people but 300 million not well off people...belief is the problem...its occulted...the actions of the super rich. Yea we see and known of their public face but they live in a different world than us...500 million dollar hydrogen powered yachts??
Major shareholders in companies are from insurance, pensions, banks etc. whose money is from ordinary people. -? or so i'm led to believe...
I don't know anyone that owns stock in the company they work for...even my older well invested BMA having realitive.
Yes there are more non hereditary wealthy people now but in America the top 3 richest people own more than 90 percent od the population...so yeah there are 30 million well off people but 300 million not well off people...belief is the problem...its occulted...the actions of the super rich. Yea we see and known of their public face but they live in a different world than us...500 million dollar hydrogen powered yachts??
Their own space programs...
Jeff Bezos ( $132000000000) 132 billion Population of the USA = 323000000 divide 132 billion by 323 million give 408.6...
is my maths correct, how much is the average American worth $408.6 ?
Americans have an average net worth of $97,300 x 323000000 =
31,427,900,000,000 = 31 trillion?
"Cage's 4'33" = 273 seconds xe2x88x92273.15xc2xb0 C = absolute zero."
JLIAT wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2020 2:19 am
Marxism thrives in the humanities and arts
the odd thing is that if marx was right, then its popularity to the middle classes is beisde the point. it's only if marx was wrong that popular / academic acceptance makes any difference...
But Marx was wrong, on at least three accounts, he said the workers would get progressively more poor, (they now are the major stake holders), he said the 'revolution' was an inevitable historical conclusion of the dialectic, and that it would occur first in the most advanced capitalist societies. Oh - he also saw it as a final state, which obviously it was not, did he not? As for the popularity of Marxism amongst the middle class, isn't that where the Marxist revolutions that took place began? making it very much the point...
moreover we are not on topic!
the marxoists i know would disagree with you on all your points in bold. as to italics, it is well known that value is not price.
Major shareholders in companies are from insurance, pensions, banks etc. whose money is from ordinary people. -? or so i'm led to believe...
I don't know anyone that owns stock in the company they work for...even my older well invested BMA having realitive.
Yes there are more non hereditary wealthy people now but in America the top 3 richest people own more than 90 percent od the population...so yeah there are 30 million well off people but 300 million not well off people...belief is the problem...its occulted...the actions of the super rich. Yea we see and known of their public face but they live in a different world than us...500 million dollar hydrogen powered yachts??
Their own space programs...
Jeff Bezos ( $132000000000) 132 billion Population of the USA = 323000000 divide 132 billion by 323 million give 408.6...
is my maths correct, how much is the average American worth $408.6 ?
Americans have an average net worth of $97,300 x 323000000 =
31,427,900,000,000 = 31 trillion?
Most Americans do not have $500 if they needed it...most Americans live paycheck to paycheck and one misstep will 'ruin' them.
Most americans have no savings at all.
America like noise is a pile of contradictions.
Averages...from homeless with nothing to renters with near nothing but debt to Jeff and his 100 billions and trillion dollar company
Social_Drift wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2020 8:59 am
the marxoists i know would disagree with you on all your points in bold. as to italics, it is well known that value is not price.
interpretational etc. issues i guess.
Of course they would disagree, in much the same way as Catholics think the Pope is infallible... some may think it true, others just go along with the pretence.
The Marxist utopia or the second coming, which are you putting your money on?
BTW are your HNW links now working?
quote Joseph Stalin:
"American efficiency is that indomitable force which neither knows nor recognizes obstacles; which continues on a task once started until it is finished, even if it is a minor task; and without which serious constructive work is inconceivable...The combination of the Russian revolutionary sweep with American efficiency is the essence of Leninism."[15]:251
Hughes describes how, as the Soviet Union developed and grew in power, both the Soviets and the Americans chose to ignore or deny the contribution of American ideas and expertise. The Soviets did so because they wished to portray themselves as creators of their own destiny and not indebted to their rivals, while the Americans did so because they did not wish to acknowledge, during the Cold War, their part in creating a powerful rival.
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"Cage's 4'33" = 273 seconds xe2x88x92273.15xc2xb0 C = absolute zero."
Averages...from homeless with nothing to renters with near nothing but debt to Jeff and his 100 billions and trillion dollar company
Sure - if what you say is true the average net would be very low. There would be little or no car or house ownership, and china wouldn't be shipping goods, and apple not selling phones @ $1000.00 a throw. The super rich are because the rest buy their stuff.
Henry Ford realised that.
"Cage's 4'33" = 273 seconds xe2x88x92273.15xc2xb0 C = absolute zero."
Averages...from homeless with nothing to renters with near nothing but debt to Jeff and his 100 billions and trillion dollar company
Sure - if what you say is true the average net would be very low. There would be little or no car or house ownership, and china wouldn't be shipping goods, and apple not selling phones @ $1000.00 a throw. The super rich are because the rest buy their stuff.
Henry Ford realised that.
Most people do not own homes and have massive debt..a 30 mortage is not ownership.
Those $1000 phones are bought on credit...now check the average debt of non wealthy americans.
My phone that im typing on was $50 at dollar general store. $35 every 3 months for service.
Ford didn't actualize though so his realization equals zero.